I’ve just read a post by Brett Cannon where, basically, he complains about complainers.
If you don’t know who Brett is, you’re probably not a heavy Python user. Brett is a very important Python core developer which has been around for a while and who does a great job at it. His post, though, makes me a bit sad.
Brett points out that there are two types of personalities which do not contribute to open source. The first one he defines as:
The first type is the “complainer”. This is someone who finds something they don’t like, points out that the thing they don’t like is suboptimal, but then offers no solutions.
And the second one is defined as:
(…) This is someone who, upon finding out about a decision that they think was sub-optimal, decides to bring up new ideas and solutions. The person is obviously trying to be helpful by bringing up new ideas and solutions, thinking that the current one is simply going to flop and they need to stop people from making a big mistake. The thing is, this person is not helping. (…)
This, on itself, is already shortsighted. If you’re tired of hearing the same arguments again and again for 10 years, from completely different people, there’s a pretty good chance that there’s an actual issue with your project, and your users are trying in their way to contribute and interact with you in the hope that it might get fixed.
This is really important: They are people, which use your project, and are trying to improve it. If you can’t stand that, you should stop maintaining an open source project now, or pick something which no one cares about.
The other issue which took my attention in his post is his example: the Python GIL. Look at the way in which Brett dismisses the problem:
(I am ignoring the fact that few people write CPU-intensive code requiring true threading support, that there is the multiprocessing library, true power users have extension modules which do operate with full threading, and that there are multiple VMs out there with a solution that have other concurrency solutions)
Brett, we can understand that the GIL is hard to remove, but it’s a fundamental flaw in the most important Python implementation, and being dismissive about it will either draw further complaints at you, or will simply drive users away from the language entirely.
I can understand why you think this way, though. Guido presents the same kind of feeling about the GIL for a very long time. Here is one excerpt from a mail thread about it:
Nevertheless, you’re right the GIL is not as bad as you would initially think: you just have to undo the brainwashing you got from Windows and Java proponents who seem to consider threads as the only way to approach concurrent activities.
Just Say No to the combined evils of locking, deadlocks, lock granularity, livelocks, nondeterminism and race conditions.
I apologize, but I have a very hard time reading this and not complaining.
In my world, the golden days of geometric growth in vertical processing power is over, multi-processed machines are here to stay, and the amount of traffic flowing through networks is just increasing. It feels reasonable to desire a less naïve approach to deal with real world problems, such as executing tasks concurrently.
I actually would love to not worry about things like non-determinism and race conditions, and would love even more to have a programming language which helps me with that!
Python, though, has a Global Interpreter Lock (yes, I’m talking about CPython, the most important interpreter). Python programs execute in sequence. No Fork/Join frameworks, no coroutines, no lightweight processes, nothing. Your Python code will execute in sequence if it lives in the same process space.
The answer from Brett and Guido to concurrency? Develop your code in C, or write your code to execute in multiple processes. If they really want people to get rid of non-determinism, locking issues, race conditions, and so on, they’re not helping at all.
I know this is just yet another complaint, though. I honestly cannot fix the problem either, and rather just talk about it in the hope that someone who’s able to do it will take care of it. That said, I wish that the language maintainers would do the same, and tell the world that it’s an unfortunate problem, and that they wished someone else would go there and fix it! If, instead, maintainers behave in a ridiculously dismissive way, like Guido did in that mail thread, and like Brett is doing in his post, the smart people that could solve the problem get turned down. People like to engage with motivated maintainers.. they like to solve problems that others are interested in seeing solved.
Perhaps agreeing with the shortcomings won’t help, though, and no one will show up to fix the problem either. But then, at least users will know that the maintainers are on the same side of the fence, and the hope that it will get fixed survives. If the maintainers just complain about the users which complain, and dismiss the problem, users are put in an awkward position. I can’t complain.. I can’t provide ideas or solutions.. I can’t fix the problem.. they don’t even care about the problem. Why am I using this thing at all?
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